Thanks guys, this is a big help! I gather there is a "dress" shirt and a "formal dress shirt"! I think I'm going to have a switching neck part, that will pull up a wing collar or the one shown, with a couple variations on the bow tie, too. This one is supposed to have studs, I guess I'll have to do another with a pleated front and hidden buttons, too. I did do a bunch of web searches, but all the ones I found mostly all show the guy all buttoned up from the front, never with the jacket off or anything.