Phantast, then forgive my failing memory, but the point I was trying to make was that the character was based on someone in real life. ... Here's the poem I was refering to about Conan the Cymri(ian) look under THE WELSH BARDS. Not much there and it was the 500s not the 600s but things like that kind of makes you wonder how much of what is in mythology might have actually happened. Helen of Troy - did her face actually launch a thousand ships? If you've never had a chance to read bullfinch's mythology, go to the index page and bookmark it for later reading. This is really a treat, if you like this sort of thing. http://www.bartleby.com/182/201.html