Ah - I should've said the make Aiko body was a perfect Anime arrangement, and not the head. But yeah, I agree to a point, though I don't think it's just a westerner/oriental racial type thing. Instead I submit that it's a minor cultural thing that has to be overcome, and that it is possible for westerners to make a good anime character Asciicodeplus is a perfect example of a guy who IMHO gets it, though he is (as far as I can tell) a westerner - check out his attempts here: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=1119794 You are right about Motsura though... but I think he was a bit too far ahead of his time when he posted 'em, back when such things as cel-shading (and pre- z-toon rendering) were the domain of expensive rendering programs. /P