Thanks I have even tried to import new files right off the net into Poser and hand place them in their folders. I've been installing stuff in Poser for years so I am pretty good with it. I can import obj's so combined with the fresh off the net stuff I know they aren't corrupted. Its a weird problem and an irritating one since normally Poser's biggest problem is reposting an error message no matter how many times you turn it off when it can't find something. If it can't find the geometries you often have to bomb out through the task manager and restart. Big fun! Sigh. S