Well I looked all over for an option to save the shoes as props but couldn't find them - never thought of importing the obj directly and THEN saving. Another quicky then, before I head over to Poser (I'm using P5, but I've got P4 too if necessary). Luckily the shoes I'm thinking of are individual characters, so I won't have to split them. However, it's usually a royal PIA to get un-smart prop shoes to fit properly, so would it be possible to snatch information from the (conforming) cr2 file to move the obj pp2s into the correct position (more or less) before saving as smart props? OR, since I have Spanki's Mules (which are props and fit wonderfully), could I rob the data out of those PP2s? Thanx for the rapid response