Well bear in mind that FG was a 'porn' movie in the softest variety, almost more 'Benny Hill meets Crash Corrigan'. So the tongue is almost a creature in it's own right, and the target is obvious - EM or IM me if you want to see the basic scene, needs a lot of work on the main setting and stuff, but a lot of ite's there. Thanks for your observations and help, it's appreciated. Cheers Dogsbody