No, Wabe, I'm pretty sure it's more than a render 2d effect, otherwise you wouldn't be able to export the resulting cloth as an object (3ds or whatever). Of course, exporting the object this way means you have to resize it and re-texture it in Vue, plus you can't do animation. But still, I'm pretty sure the effect is more than illusory. The problem is that without Mover 5, you can't just directly and fully import these "dynamitized" scenes into Vue. I checked the E-on site, and found nothing about a release date. BTW, I do agree with Purl. that Pro popped up out of nowhere, but that's a seperate matter. I think Vue is an amazing product, I just want it to marry itself to another great product, Poser 5, so I can hear the pitter patter of little animations. Thanks to everybody for their input:)