There's a HUGE-ASS (yes, that's a technical term) memory leak in the FireFLAW renderer, which CL has yet to address. IF and WHEN they do, it will help out quite a bit. I just avoid Fireflaw like the plague, and only render with it when I ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO. The P4 renderer is much quicker and provides the same or better quality, and it even does most procedural textures. -Tim PS> Stewer ... try turning on shadows and rendering a 5 second animation with FireFLAW. Poser will choke hard-core.