Planet 3D was a great link! thanks bunches...will see if I can do something with that babe! :-) Dear Ghost...right, I see...I wonder though why it never mentions P5. you see I thought P3 was long gone really, especially since it was given out for free as cover disc. This is what made me look at this raven the way I do...Thank you for your help in this regard :-) Lev