Aye, I agree with Wombat, but more from an experiential point of view. Bryce has NO plugin architecture, and since it doesn't support morphing, it would be pointless to make a "Character Lab" for Bryce 5. Vic-versa, it would be silly to add-in Bryce support for DAZ studio! Still, whatever works, it seems that Vue has gained the winning edge because their manufacturers actually care about the users. The same can not be said of Corel, at least as a corporate entity. Who knows how hard the Bryce-makers ranted and raved when they got smoked, so I won't bother pointing a finger at them... Hope not ALL of them ended up on the Vue team...