Stewer......I received the wizard as a 3ds file and i did (just tried it again to be sure) have the make polygon normals consistent checked. I really need/want a wizards gown and this would do nicely if i could get it to work. Im going to try to de-select everything then try to do a few polys at a time and see if i can reverse them that way. Thanks again and if you can think of anything else please let me know......im really running around in the dark with this raptordude