Very well put, Bill ... very well indeed. I find everything you said to be so very true (although the tech support person I've been working with at CL is very open-minded and helpful, but he is NOT an engineer ... he can only make suggestions to them.) And I can't comment nor do I have an opinion on the implications made about Stewer ... I just agree about the general apathy of CL and the viciousness of some members ... ahem. The other frustrating segment of community members are the obstinate STILL-ONLY renderers (not all still renderers of course)who haven't a clue to some of these problems because they don't know a keyframe from a mainframe. They have no idea the problems introduced and debilitating bugs present in P5 (and P4 for that matter) that animators run into. Anyway, thanks for your thoughts. -Tim PS> Also, thanks for the mini-lesson on map size. Sounds like I need to be using even higher res maps. (Arrgh)