trying to excuse the bug with a criticism of the techniques of myself and the great majority of Poser users I was asking a single question. take up these problems, investigate further I will forward them to the respective persons at CL, which is all I can do. I gave him a direct and simple test case in which he could witness the bug for himself without further dispute. Which was very helpful, thank you. Concerning the rest of your post, wether I have a bad day or not is none of your business and is not relevant in this thread or this forum as a whole. I am willing to discuss on a technical level as long as there are no accusations, assumptions, generalizations. I don't see that discussion style in this thread, neither by you nor by Carolly - if you feel the desire to divide the "community" into good and evil, pro and con, ignorance and wisdom,"blinded by their own brilliance" and "elf-important oblivion" - go on without me, I'm out of this thread. "Do not email me when someone replies". Start a new thread called "Narrowing down memory leaks in Poser 5", I'll be happy to join as long as the thread is about Poser and not my reputation.