Wabe: Nice suggestions, however since I develop a few shareware apps, I have to test my apps on the latest OS. I can't afford a slew of G4's or G5's to have around with different versions of the OS. I also cannot afford one of Apples rather expensive developer subscriptions. I realize it has only been out for a week, but most professional developers have had builds of this since June. If you check versiontracker over the past few weeks, you will see many updates for Panther glitches or compatibility. How is it these developers can create patches so fast. They can't, they have been creating workarounds since early July. So really there is not too many excuses for a developer to not have a patch soon after the launch of an OS upgrade. Second, most apps run fine under Panther without modification. If a developer coded and developed according to well documented guidelines, most of these issues are Nil. e-on obviously didn't, or their setup app would not immediately crash on launch in Panther (Apple even commented on this at WWDC in June). Their may be glitches but not to this magnitude of complete in-operability. So with this in mind, yes I can complain. I do not depend on Vue to make me money, it is a hobby that I enjoy tinkering around with, but it is a fun app that I will miss if they do not fix it. I can't justify the purchase of Pro, which is compatible with Panther. So will e-on fix Vue? I hope so, but I also have my doubts as they not only need to fix the app they need to figure out some way to provide a new setup application, as you can't fix an app on a cd-rom. Don't take my complaints as more then reports of what to expect and a bit of disappointment. I am not proclaiming the downfall of e-on or anything of the like. Simply trying to make Mac Vue users aware that if they rely on Vue, they may want to check with e-on first. I don't have that luxury, but many others do. Anyway just my 2 cents. I hope to see more news soon, as I really don't want to use Bryce if I have to. :-)