hey, thanks to all for the nice feedback... and here I was thinking I was going to be flamed or something... hmm, they don't look feminine?? well, the bishonen package kind of makes all male characters look girly by default, but maybe it's not that notorious here, and I'm glad to see that the "manga" look seems to have been accomplished without really stating it. I tweaked the eyes like crazy... in Victoria3 characters things were really easy, I just put the big eyes morph to 0.347 and all of riddokun's eyes fit perfect, but for V2/M2/Steph charactersa I have to work them by hand... thanks whoever for the alien eyes, that's what has helped me the most. I'll try again with the mayadoll eyes... for some reason, I thought the mayadoll eyes and the unviersal eyes wereb the same... i didn't realize the MD were more natural... we'll see. thanks again for the constructive feedback! Max