I think Robt had a LOT to do with how well the Freak came out! NOW- Just think if DAZ had STARTED their M3 promo campaign with some FREAK images??? Wouldn't THAT have quieted a LOT of CONCERNS about M3's BASIC girly-look? It seems to me DAZ did it BACKWARDS- But thankfully the FREAK really gives us the MANLY DUDE the rest of us wanted. Thanks Dann Farr and Robt Whiz!