oh, Veritas, I think I didn't explain things too clearly... it's easy to fit the V3 doaeyes because of the morphs that V3 has... you can use the Big Eye morph and the eyes fit perfectly... but I don't use the alien eyes on V3, ti's not really necessary... but the alien eyes had helped me a LOT on all my mike 2 characters... thanks to the alien eyes I can make the guys' eyes bigger, otherwise I don't know how I could do it... and I haven't used V2 yet for my characters... I mostly use V3 to V2, but for sure if I use V2, I'll have to resource to the alien eyes in the same way i use them for the guys. Oh, here's my first and LAST mike 3 characters... I mainly did it to show riddokun that his V3 eyes fit M3 perfectly... but M3 is definately NOT what i want in my characters.. as much as I tried to make him thing and stuff, it was just too much complication... and it ended up looking like M3 anyway... what i like about the bishonen pack is that it turns all the M2 into completely new characters... you can barely see the traces of M2 in them... but in this M3 characters, it's so easy to tell that he's M3. and yeah, you can put the DOA yes on the Mil Girls with the Universal doaeyes.. you the the MIlgirls are basically small victorias, so you can use victoria skins and eyes on them... Riddokun, did you use the universal eyes on the MIlBoys?? i would have though they shoud take the michael mats... but if they use the victoria mats, much better. Max