OK I better chime in too then :o) First: Renders are NOT real people. I have made loads of bulky renders with the freak these last 24 hours or so, since I got him and I think he's way cool (more than I had thought in advance actually) BUT remember, he's a FREAK! He is NOT a real man, nor is he portraying a real man. To be honest, pictures of bulky bodybuilders makes me wanna run away screaming to the nearest place where I can PUKE over that gross un-natural pile of muscles. Same with Vickies, with or without clothes and temples: Those E-size breasts makes me sick and (sorry guys) I can't help feeling pity for the people who has such a freak as an apparent idol. But well, perhaps it's just the nature of fantasy, to exaggerate, and that's fine with me, AS LONG as it doesn't lead people to believe that this is the way you SHOULD look, male or female. There are far too many anorektic(sp?) girls in today's society who starve themselves in an attempt to look like popstars or the like. Far too many boys/men take steroids to bulk up their muscles, thereby ruining their ability to actually BE men when it comes to the more "important" parts of male anatomy. And thay're shortening their lives drastically at the same time, and worst thing: They doesn't seem to CARE. BUT. All things aside, I think the initial pictures in this post are great and please do not think I didn't get the joke, I was actually thinking of doing a "who are you calling "girly" picture myself", but then Dave-So beat me to it :o) so I'll go back to working on my neanderthal morph.. Sorry if I was part of derailing this thread, Dave-So. It really wasn't my intent, but Mickmca DID say a few really good points :o)

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