hmm, I tried to work saomething with the DOA eyes on animals, but Poser 4 animals (which are actually poser 3 animals) suck!! their eyes, iris, pupil and everything, are squares!!! you can't really fit any eyes onto them... I still don't have any millenium animals... they have a lion too?? if I get to have daz3d's animals ever, I'll test them as well. maybe this thread came to an end?? thanks for all your comments! Max