After that my sister, who's horse it was, told me you kind of have to get them to move in a small circle to distract them while cinching (I guess horses can't walk and chew gum at the same time). Of course the horse stepped on my foot while doing so (or I stuck my foot under his hoof) and it took my big toe nail off, but then, what do I know, I am (was) basically a big city boy. No ill feelings towards that horse, he was only being a horse and I Still love horses. btw EdW, great looking saddle and harness, can't wait... Walter