Fireflaw? I'm sorry to disagree, but I think the firefly renderer isn't entirely to blame. If I'm not mistaken the memory leak that people notice with P5 was also there in P4 but wasn't as much of a problem due to the lower overhead of the P4 render. It uses less resources, so it leaks less resources. Also, I find the poly smoothing and displacement mapping to be its best features and now that I've used them a bit I can't go back. Too bad the P4 renderer doesn't have the smoothing or I could get by with it once in a while perhaps. Off to check on RAMpage...