Yeah, the smoothing defintely comes in handy sometimes ... as do some other features from time to time. But I must say, I can throw just about anything at the P4 renderer (any length, an complexity, etc.) and it doesn't choke -- which I can't say for Poser 4 itself, interestingly enough. Huolong: What do you mean by "the render indicator ... this goes away ..." I have the latest patch and I still have a render indicator. (And having one is fairly desirable.) Are you talking about the "little man" side-stepping, maybe? I'm confused, can you enlighten me? Thanks, Tim