Attached Link: http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=0aca2ed545dd840eb8f98a4b9cd3f5b9&threadid=78713&perpage=15&p

Okay hunted some more, found one heck of a bashing on it, calling poser some nice stuff too :0 first link is for that, second one, is to the pic in the cg forum. http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/08/06/155303.php