Thanks for the comments. Yes the Spider web is different. At my wife's urging I removed every other strand on the web (not a fun task). It makes a world of difference in how the web looks. Judging by your comments the problem I was worried about dose not exist. After working on the wall texture for so long my eyes would only focus on the empty wall to the right. I could not tell if it was the image or me that was having the problem. For the most part your eyes travel like they should so I will not worry about it. However, always a however, when I view this on my work computer the image is really light. I can clearly see the gage on the back wall. On my home system the gage is peeking out of the shadows. How do I tell which monitor is out o' whack? I think I am going to convert every think into the spline modeler and experiment with the shader some more (thanks for the tip Mark). Thanks again for you help in this. I will post what I believe to be the finished image this weekend (I hope). -Grimpup