I owe Grunthor an apology for misreading his comment regarding Purlonious; I had not realised that there had originally been a comment from Purlonious on the thread. I read Grunthors comment as suggesting I was Purlonius using a different name, and as many could tell you I loathe this practice of multi ids, so was a little disgruntled, I would ask Grunthor to accept my apologies. Thanks Dale for you suggestions, it is appreciated, I do actually run Win doctor on a regular basis, and apart from occasional registry errors if I have installed or uninstalled something, I get no other problems other than occasional incorrect shortcuts. Even reformat did not solve this problem, or the shutdown problem, the problem shown does not occur in any other programs previews, and in fact did not occur in Vue until directly after one of the bug fix updates, on the mouse the answer is no I do feel that its a clash between Vue and my set-up, as I have known others with programs that worked fine on mine, did not on theirs, that has usually been solved by the software company in question, looking closer at why certain set-ups have a problem. Obviously this particular problem isnt major but I find the shut down problems a lot of hassle, I have learned to live with Vues other intermittent problems. Thanks anyway for a constructive response. Dave.