OK Folks I just got home from work (1720pm here in central europe) I loaded M3 again - IK off, clicked the double check mark - bought in the pants, conform to figure 1 (only figure in scene) and off they fly!! I closed everything - restarted - bought M3 in again - IK on - same result. I will post screen shot as Dave-So asked if you think it will help. Only other thing is to get in touch with Daz as Lyrra suggested - BYW this is the patched M3.