We use a lot of different fractal programs, all of which are freeware. I play with a program a while, if I like it, I keep it. If not, I go on to the next one. My favorite program is Vchira and it is available from: http://www.eclectasy.com/Iterations-et-Flarium24/ There are several great fractal programs on that site. You might want to check out Paul N. Lee's website, alot of great stuff there also. For flame fractals, I don't think anything beats Apophysis. Just go to the Apophysis website and download a free copy. Have fun! William