AMEN. Same here, EXCEPT for the initial release of Poser 5 ... but we all know what a bug-ridden piece of crap that was. It still has a mass memory leak when using the firefly renderer and shadow-maps, but other than that Vue makes it look wonderful. I can't remember the last app that crashed (besides Vue) ... it's been a LONG, LONG time. But don't you know, on this forum it's ALWAYS user error or the user's computer's fault. -Tim