thanks guys, about the texture: it is an image, and the only way I could get it to have the square arch design was to repeat it over and over again set at 'world cubic" when I done w/ the final render, i will probably smudge/burn the textures in the pic to make more of a variety, and the shot will be from far away w/ alot of over-exposed lighting, so im hoping that will help also. Quickp51: I was thinking about that, but i have to get this monster done first!! thanks as always guys.