Thanks everyone for the warm welcome given to these guys :) _Audrey, of course you're entitled to your opinion, just wanted to point out that having a set with different looks and modelling all the differences would mean 4 different tunics, not to mention how much that would slow down some machines - heh, you can't have a party with just one :) I seriously hope you're not bashing all DAZ products with painted on details such as the Platinum Club textures which are among the best!