Today I found I couldn't resist tweaking aspects I wasn't happy with late last night - so here's the (no postwork) Poser 5 render with changes list: Added Chrismas Room from www.sams3d.com Added extrra material zone to the ball for the "fixer/loop". Added a blue box by Chris Sutor Copied the fixer/loop for use o the blue box's top Fiddled with a few textures (still not delerious about the red used for the bell) Added a scaled-down yellow ball Poser 5 still isn't Cinema4D by any measure - but it's come a long way from Poser 4. Since DAZ Studio looks to be using basically the same renderer as Poser 5, I have to assume that DAZ also reckon the rendering engine to be pretty good - and you should be able to check that out for free soon enough :)