I guess I must have caught Curious Labs at an, uncharacteristically, sensible momement when I bought Poser 4 (July 2002). It shipped from an agent in Ireland, got here (the UK) in 3 days and no extra tax to pay. How's this for sensible though? If I download an ESD upgrade from P4 to P5 from the European site it's 169 euro (approx. $189), from the US site it's $119 (approx. 101 euro). Are the phone line between here and the US much cheaper than those between here and Germany or something? John