ill wait 3 years and that'll be the day! wait... well that'll be the day when mmmmmmm would bryce still be alive at that time then? well hopefully (when the signature scheme works) then we'll be left with a faster raytracing renderer of BRYCE! complete with 3dmax plugin! wow! that'll THEN be the day... rudy: yup i agree with u, our nokia would be better than that comp... eyecon