First, Yamato, I thank you. I downloaded the New Judy, then discovered that my Macintosh wouldn't be able to run the RTEncoder. So I download it again to my Windows box, hoping that I could just decode the file there, and transfer the results to the Mac. After moving the Judy object files and such to my Windows box, I ran RTEncoder, and realized something -what if this new Judy could run on Poser 4. I stuffed the object, .cr2, and texture files in their right places, and voila'! Judy works just fine in Poser 4. Until Yamato's version, I never bothered to try, because while Judy's body is okay, the face was IMHO hideous. Now I cna pull all the (non-dynamic) Judy stuff into my Poser 4 install without having to deal with Poser 5's headaches :) /P