Silke said, 'As long as ONE person believes something is art - then it IS art' Well, that's a valid viewpoint, and I'd defend to the death your right to hold it, but..... it's incorrect. What eventually becomes 'Art' is dictated by factors way beyond the control of the artist. The dealers, the market, time, taste and sometimes, sheer luck. Anyone has the right to say "I think this is art, therefore it is". But that doesn't make them right. What people forget is that the majority of poser users tend to make do with what's available. When posette was the only girl in town, the images were usually pretty unrealistic. Now that v3 is around and that some amazing textures are on the market, the ante has been upped considerably. You couldn't do a render with posette nowadays and reasonably expect to be praised for it's realism. The people who really push the limits of the program (in the technical sense), can come up with some pretty amazing stuff. Someone recently mailed me a kozaburo pic (nikita, I think), asking 'Is it easy to do stuff like this?'. Er... well... sort of.... As long as people are content to use the latest dragon or whatever in every render for the 1st month after it comes out, there won't be much in the way of radical new imagery in the galleries. Luckily, a lot of folks do their own thing, regardless of what the 'currently fashionable form of idiocy' happens to be. (Spot the quote and win a coconut!) But you know something? I'd far rather see a stick-figure cartoon image that SAYS something, than a full-on 'Is this a photo or not?' image that says nothing. mac