Thanks Mikeberg, The file size is 468k plus graphics as I think these are stored externaly and that would add another 100k so it is not all that big. Chris, I wondered about xfrog and thought long and hard about Carrara as I have been using Vue d'Esprit for quite awhile now. But seeing how easy it is to make trees and the modeliers are great. Now to get some realistic ground cover and grasses. mmoir and kix , I'm glad you liked it. Cheers Neil