Thanks Liz, I'll look in my email before i leave for the weekend.. cant wait to see what it looks like. I got into the bike them because clothing is a bit frustrating for me with conforming and all. Steve @ poserworld seems to do real well with mens(poserDork) stuff some day i may try that avenue again but it will be a while, I quite like the "biker" road i am traveling at present :O) Sprout