whisper, Convinced me - ham it is, Oy! I didn't have any problems with the stickman I made in walk designer and p4 (haven't tryed in P5). the first step would be I imagine would to make sure the turkey has body parts named with names the walk designer can recognise, probably the exact same names as the default character. get rid of the pasted IK chains and start over with that. you IK's should probably come from working in the heirarchy editor. Nerd, bloodsong, and StephenRay all have tuts on importing a char into poser the latter in the tuts section here. One of them should work. Nice turkey by the way! good luck, - TJ