Thanks bikermouse. Unfortunately I claim the picture. I snagged it off Daz's website just to clarify which turkey I had (since they have more than one). I pasted the IK chains because the heirarchy editor wouldn't let me add them in the window. I'll try and track down the tuts you suggested. I already found Dr. Geep's, but I didn't see anything to help. I'll check it out again. Thanks!