"And, since few people around here know the difference anyway, I guess most would be perfectly happy to let DAZ continue to lead them around by the nose like they always have." I know I am! ;-) If being handed a free piece of software that uses an industry-standard-compliant rendering engine to test to see if I like it is leading me around by the nose, then let 'em lead away! Of course, there's always the alternative, CL, who made me wait for almost a year after the Windows version was released before releasing the Mac version, the same people who charged me more for the downloadable versions of P4 & PP than for the shipping boxed version, who keep me waiting for weeks for tech solutions that they can't solve (but are solved here). If my only two choices are being led around by the nose by DAZ with free software or being treated like a second-class citizen by CL, then yeah, I'm happy with DAZ. ;-)