Yeah Ronstuff why don't you try to sound a little more condescending. :p I'm excited about DS. at the moment Poser 5 is really working well for me, and the ease of use and power of the mat room in P5 may take DS a while to match, however I have no doubt that the DS renderer and open GL preview are gonna be great. I'm pretty darn excited. I'll probably stick with P5 for anything other than stills till DS at least gets a Cel shader though.