Excellent points, Berserga. And I agree with everyone who feels that we don't have to denigrate one product just to make another look better. I'm sure that D/S will have many desirable features, which is why I look forward to trying it. kuroyume0161 you really should study-up on more recent developments in rendering which make dihedral polygon smoothing unnecessary or at least redundant when other methods yield equivalent and possibly superior results. In Poser 5 you don't need to worry about smoothing angles because you have even greater control of the "look and feel" of the material shaders combined with micro polygon displacement which gives you far more control. And BTW, even if you turn OFF "smoothing" in Poser 5 you are not deactivating phong and shader based smoothing, you are only deactivating the micro-polygon displacement smoothing.