If you're already in the Web Ring, assuming the site is legit etc, you won't have to re-apply. We do require that you use the provided link and graphic on your site. I'll double check the exact timing of the "2 tries" script for dead sites. Good to hear feedback on that, thanks. I do know it's spaced out over days, though. If your site isn't ready yet, please wait to join the Web Ring until it's in order. Of course, it'll depend on how far along the site is. When we check a pending link, if the site looks pretty complete it will be approved, even though some additions could be made later. "Under Construction" isn't really what we want to see. The Renderosity links can go in your Links section, but it should only be a couple of clicks away from the "Front Page". Thanks for the feedback. Go Web Ring! --Asher