As a matter of fact, I've had an account here since 2000. I was offline and away from the communities for a little over a year when I was pregnant (difficult pregnancy) and when I came back here, my membership had expired, so I had to renew it (and that's where the visible date comes from) If you could see my purchase history, you'd see it goes back to 2000. My purchase history at 3D Commune also goes back to 2000. My purchase history with DAZ goes back to before they were DAZ (i.e., the Zygote days). My point was that the majority of users here don't seem to care much what goes on. They come, they shop, they may drop in on the forums (or not; I didn't use the forums until pretty recently), they don't care much about the behind-the-scenes activities and politics. Certainly not enough to actually do much about it (other than bitch a little bit). Basically, the admins can do pretty much whatever they want, without accountability. Now and then, yes, small groups break off and form new sites/stores, but still, Renderosity trundles on doing the same old same old. That's basic human nature, though. I don't expect any more or less from human beings than to be human. bonni

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