yup..you are right..... after the format... when i went to use the backups.....unzipped them and tried to use mover.. all i got was a file access denied until it occurred to me to use the original obj file..because they were older zipfiles...then it worked flawlessy... think of it this way... the seed file.. the original obj file.. is no longer the same once it is patched... so mover only recognizes the obj file the pcf file was encoded with as the legal one... so you need to have all the obj files that are out there... the original and all the various patched versions to be able to find the one you are looking for