Do I believe Lady Cherry over the admins? Yes. Given the history of administrative actions/decisions here and their utter lack of accountability, I don't have any reason to believe the admins. Lady Cherry has offered publically to provide all of her server logs to prove she has comitted no fraud, but, hey, The Powers That Be have acted, and that's the end of it. At least I learned about Rendervisions this way, so some small good has come out of it. bonni

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