Hey, sorry about not checking in sooner. Paulric, You certainly can use P4 figures. In fact, the rules are written so that the theme cannot "require" the V or M models because not everyone has them. Its ok to use them of course (unless some future theme limits the models). The way we did it is to make the challenge available for any version of Poser and not lock anyone out because they don't have something. Regardless of what version you have, you should always be able to enter the challenge. As for being held against you, no. Its a public vote and a well done posette could easily outdo V or M in my humble opinion. FirstBlueMoon, I think the voting link was activated by mistake and I believe that has been fixed now. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Ciorstaidh, paulric pretty much hit the nail on the head. If you draw the wings in postwork that's just dandy. If you bring the models into Vue or Bryce or whatnot and render there, that's not ok. We're all a little lost and most of us are new to the program as well. Just dive in. I'll let you know by IM if there is any adjustments that need to be made. Also, you can post a WIP in forum and ask for advice and make adjustments before uploading if you like. Its about learning, and that's a great way to learn. WildPepsiChild, that works too. You can either bring in a backdrop or take your rendered image to postwork and paint away. The only thing I would say though to postwork is that some painting is fine, but if you are just using an alpha chanel of your model in PS compositing it onto a Bryce or LW image, etc, then I think that defeats the purspose. If you don't know what I mean by alpha chanel from Poser and compositing, then don't sweat it. That is a lot of work and the folks who do that are well aware of what they are up to. Ok, hope this helps.