Nice examples of P5 abilities Ronstoff. "Would I go back to Poser 4? HECK NO!! But to say that Curious Labs isn't at fault for a serious let-down (and downright travesty of a release), causing much of the negativity and cynicism, is going a bit far. Sure there are people who simply don't understand the material room (for example), but that doesn't mean there aren't some VERY SERIOUS problems with Poser 5 and CL's handling of the entire situation." That's a eloquent summary of my feelings on the matter, Tim. IMO P5 is a very rough diamond but a diamond nonetheless... (geez that was a tad too poetic. ^_^)