hey nekketsu, yes, I want it! I'll im you... and as I said, I'm sure I could do these with primitives, but I have squat idea on how to uvmap them and then texture them... I tried once with a TV that was in obj format, and as much as I put work on it, I never could get the texture on the TV, so that's why I asked for help and sharen, I'll go check out your site, but it's probably not a freebie, is it? I'll check out out anyway Max