Hi folks... guess my ebots went AWOL with Caly's ;-) Skin Shader - please be patient, this is a WIP with a few wrinkles to be ironed out (skin... wrinkles... get it? :-O). I'm also building a female skin shader which has "silky-smooth" and "powdery" properties. Finally there will be Old Skin which has realistic creases, wrinkles and discolorations - of course ALL of these will work with ANY texture you already have. Unfortunately the shader trees are just too complex for screenshots without a LOT of explaination which I just don't have the time to do right now. A tutorial is in the works, but on a back burner. Back to the topic - Since this thread is about DAZ Studio and it's impact on CL and the Poser community in general, lets direct ourselves back to that. I'm really looking forward to the release of D/S. For one, the interface itself is to be admired, and just what I always wished Poser were like. The few render examples we have seen are equally impressive. I don't need to debate the merits of OpenGL or various methods of polygon smoothing to know, without even testing it, that this is a tool that I want in my arsenal. I've made that point several times already, yet some people seem to ignore it, and challenge me for supporting Poser - as if doing so implied that I did NOT support D/S - hogwash!. So forgive me if I seem a bit cynical, but I just don't see the need for me to join the 90% of the community who are already quite adept at bashing CL (even though they do deserve some of it) - what's the PURPOSE? Do you really NEED my voice added to that chorus, or is this more of an ego thing? I for one, do not come to this community seeking the Miss Congeniality Award. As far as I am concerned, that title already belongs (rightfully) to people like Sharen from Sams3D and Pokeydots. I come here to learn and to share what I have learned. In that process, I also try to bring a little BALANCE to issues that appear to be going lopsided. I don't do it to disrespect anyone or elevate myself - I do it to provide an alternate perspective which might otherwise be overlooked in the stampeed to join the "In-Crowd". My real wish is that people would just spend HALF as much effort learning to use the features that Poser DOES HAVE as they do COMPLAINING about what Poser DOESN'T have. Sorry about raising my voice, but is that too much to ask? What I REALLY want is to see CL survive long enough (and have incentive enough) to fix Poser5. What I DON'T want is a future where D/S is the ONLY alternative we have - and if you don't think that can happen, then I can GUARANTEE that it WILL. I dare say, that if any one of you were in CL's shoes, you would have packed up your marbles LONG ago and just faded away. So, do you think that I want to add my weight to the pressure already on CL, and possibly be the straw that broke the back? NOT ON YOUR LIFE, thanks anyway.